an insightful conversation...

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

the only part of church i liked today was the communion and the benediction: may the lord Jesus, the love of the Father and the peace of the Holy Spirit be with you always.

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

the preaching had been quite intellectual for a while, but i think the other things outweigh the preaching

all this I shall see, and stop peddling in words that mean nothing to me. says:

other things?

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

the cliche, the unattentiveness and laziness of the attitude of the attenders, the shallow hymns, the huge electronic board/video thing between me and the "stage," the fact that there is a stage, etc...

all this I shall see, and stop peddling in words that mean nothing to me. says:

hehe

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

the fact that it doesn't mean anything to me, and we're all rich and comfortable in our spirituality

all this I shall see, and stop peddling in words that mean nothing to me. says:

do you feel uncomfortable?

all this I shall see, and stop peddling in words that mean nothing to me. says:

I sure do...

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

i feel like i'm being tube-fed when i go to church anymore, it doesn't seem to go anywhere

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

i feel horribly uncomfortable

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

i feel like i can never be like them

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

it's so strange

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

i want to be real to myself and God

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

and i can't do that there

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

(sorry for ranting)

all this I shall see, and stop peddling in words that mean nothing to me. says:

no no... no no no... fine fine

all this I shall see, and stop peddling in words that mean nothing to me. says:

i think I am comforted, though, by the fact that there are people besides myself who are thinking the same things

all this I shall see, and stop peddling in words that mean nothing to me. says:

It gives me some semblance of hope that together we may be able to figure something out.

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

i think we can

all this I shall see, and stop peddling in words that mean nothing to me. says:

I'd like to figure out how to meet with God...

all this I shall see, and stop peddling in words that mean nothing to me. says:

in a real way...

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

and i don't think that God has a problem with doing what we're doing

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

i think he likes it, actually

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

i would like to figure that out, too. because, i know that he's there, and that he loves.

all this I shall see, and stop peddling in words that mean nothing to me. says:

yeah.... I want to catch glimpses, you know....

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

me too

all this I shall see, and stop peddling in words that mean nothing to me. says:

I think sometimes I do.

all this I shall see, and stop peddling in words that mean nothing to me. says:

Not too often, and usually in unusual ways, but I think it happens.

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

yeah, i think you're right

What should I then presume? How should I begin? says:

... i believe you're right.

all this I shall see, and stop peddling in words that mean nothing to me. says:

It comforts me to think that it is at least possible to catch glimpses, that God is there, and that I can find him...